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    updates are now here.

    Update 4250: Way to go Julien Leparoux. A jockey I met a few times at 2007 Keeneland's fall meet and a jockey I admire for being a gentleman and a horseman: Leparoux Wins 7 at Churchill; Ties Day.

    Update 4249: Superfecta here, with your regular weekly update.

    I go away for a few days, and everyone retires. It was nice knowing you, Raven's Pass. It's a shame poor Sheik Mohammed didn't have the deep pockets to keep him in training, but jockey Jimmy Fortune was able to give the horse a diplomatic send-off to Kildangan Stud:

    "I still don't think we had seen the best of him but (in terms of his value) it wouldn't really matter what he did as a four-year-old - he could have won six Group Ones - and you have to respect the owner's decision.
    While that was your typical disappointing early retirement, we have also moved into the realm of the utterly silly, with the news that undefeated (in, count 'em, 3 starts) 2-year-old Run Away and Hide is off to Darby Dan (and no, I'd never heard of him either). (Hat tip to Winston for the news). Sure, the economy is poor, but did they really need his $7500 stud fee that badly? And remind me why I would want to breed to a barely-raced sprinter - I can't seem to recall why that would be an enticing proposition.

    Speaking of the economy, it seems that no one could afford to properly bid on the outstanding 20% of Curlin that was up for sale -- sure, there were a few offers, but nary a one was deemed acceptable:

    A Cincinnati law firm conducted a sealed-bid auction, though none of the bidders met all the sale criteria, which included price for the minority stake, ability to pay and the authority to bid. The process helped identify some potential buyers interested in a private sale.

    "The sealed-bid process gave the receiver an opportunity to test the market without affecting the market," said Sylvius von Saucken, a partner in the Garretson Firm in Cincinnati who is charged with selling the minority share. "We found the market loves Curlin, but it's a depressed market."

    If the ongoing legal morass contributes to keeping Curlin in training next year, it's been useful for something. While the lack of input into the way the major players in the sport operate can be frustrating, take heart in this -- you can make your voice heard via the Self Appointed Fan Committee. A few of us will be chatting with some of the Breeders' Cup folks later this week and we would love to take more feedback along to the meeting - so go here and submit your thoughts now!

    Update 4248: Another quieter morning for us at Steve's barn this morning at Woodbine. I had six sets, five before the break and one after the break. All galloped nicely. We also had a few workers, which I went to watch after I was finished galloping. The racetrack is certainly quieter this week. I guess this is the "winter" meet at Woodbine. The bottom claiming level has dropped. We have a few outfits now from Fort Erie here as their meet has ended. And some of the outfits here have started shipping out.

    Now off to OLEX.

    Update 4247: The economy has certainly had an impact on the recent auctions in Kentucky and elsewhere. This has created an issue regarding what to do with "unwanted" thoroughbreds that do not receive a minimum bid. Thoroughbred Brief examines this issue and also notes an initiative of 2001 that seems to have fallen by the wayside:
    By the Wayside
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    The 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11 month. That is when the fighting in World War I came to an end. It is the moment in time that is the impetus for today, Veteran's Day in America and Remberance Day in Canada. It is when the bloodshed ended, not just for humans, but for Horses too as most armies were still Horse powered then. Even today, Horses and other equines play important roles in the military. As we spend our day shopping the sales and whatever else we do, please stop for a moment and remember.
    Remember our heros: Jerry (SlewReigns) for one, and any other FOB who put his or her life on the line for us all...and remember the sacrifices too of the unwilling, no Horse ever went into battle willingly. In your prayer or other rememberance, say Thank You too please. Give Thanks for the veterans who will be buried today in Arlington National Cemetary, they will be carried to their final rest, fittingly, on a Horse-drawn caisson.

    In the spirit of the esprit-de-corps we shared in the military:
    NO Horse left behind or Ever Forgotten!
    Lee
    (US Army, 1997-2004)

    Posted by: Sofie's Lee at November 11, 2008 10:44 AM

    Happy Veteran's Day FOBs

    Lee - how eleoquent. Thank you for the reminder. I agree with you 100%.

    Mary S. - reading your post about Sherman just ripped me to shreds.

    Janice
    A forever devoted to Kaiser FOB

    Posted by: janicefromflorida at November 11, 2008 12:46 PM

    Sorry about the typo - I meant eloquent.

    Janice
    A forever devoted to Kaiser FOB

    Posted by: janicefromflorida at November 11, 2008 12:47 PM

    I think they also need to decrease breeding

    Posted by: MJ at November 11, 2008 1:21 PM

    A Veteran's Day greeting to all the Fans and a special salute to all our veterans and those currently serving.

    I agree with Alex and the writer of the Thoroughbred Brief - and I'm worried, too. I keep reading about all the stud fees being reduced and I see all the horses "No Saled" at the auctions and I have to wonder what the disconnect is? Why do the breeders think that there is not an over-supply of horses? I know there are responsible breeders but until some of them step up and publicly reduce seasons and mares bred, I don't see a change for the good. And, yes, I know the Thoroughbred industry is not the only breed to blame.

    Fondly remembering all our fallen heroes today - including Forest, Sherman, Coby and Tee. And, of course, Barbaro.

    Marg
    Proud Fan of Barbaro forever

    Posted by: Marg in Maine at November 11, 2008 1:48 PM

    #####
    HAPPY VETERANS DAY! Proud to be an American....and proud to be a part of this loving family the FOBS!!!!

    Good Morning Barbaro

    Barbaro....beautiful....love, care....and we miss you...

    Good Morning Family/Fans of Barbaro

    PLEASE CALL, FAX, EMAIL....PLEASE.

    Yes....something has to be done about our unwanted horses....and breeding, and backyard breeding has to stop....

    We are a family of love....and we sacrifice for our animals and horses....we do without....so they can live...WE GET IT!

    I know our rescues need us...our support, volunteering, whatever we can do...even pray for them....they need us...please read the db board.

    How are we going to stop this madness? I do not know....but I break everyday knowing horses are sent to slaughter...

    My heart is heavy for...our family....losing their loved ones....human, animal, or beloved horse....because our love does pay a price...

    But...the love from our animals is so deep, so innocent, and so unconditional....what a gift.

    I thank all the men and women who are serving our country keeping us safe...and I honor those...our fallen soldiers.

    Have a bless day....

    ####
    Good Morning Alex and Smooch.
    Good Morning Tim and Fair Hill.
    Our Fallen Angels...we are here.

    Posted by: joan roya at November 11, 2008 2:35 PM

    A VETERAN'S DAY JOLT OF JOE at TBFRIENDs
    ###########################################


    Tuesday, November 11th... Yesterday I paid just $2.24 for regular gasoline, and how cool is that?

    But I also paid 65 cents for a can of cat food, and how ridiculous is that?

    I paid 35 cents a pound for a young thoroughbred gelding from a feed lot in Wilton. He has a racing tattoo. The poor gelding is covered in a dry caked mixture of pee and mud. Total cost for the gelding is $315.00.

    I paid $100.00 to have the pee and mud gelding transported to our ranch.

    I paid $5.99 for a 24 pack of Diet Coke at Food 4 Less, the best deal in town.

    I paid 49 cents for a Hershey chocolate bar, and I remember when they were a nickel.

    In our driveway on Saturday I met Kirsten, she is 14, and she gives Cathy and I 6 big just made oatmeal and raisin cookies. So good I had to hide them from Pony Boy. Kirsten says with each batch of cookies she puts a quarter into one of them. Who ever bites into the cookie with the quarter will have good luck in 2009. Those 6 cookies are now gone, but there was no quarter. Too bad. Would have paid for almost half of that darn cat food.

    Yesterday I got to meet Justin, a cute little reddish bay thoroughbred gelding who needed a new home quick. Justin was just minutes away from being picked up by horse killer Wade Giles. Justin is now in the field behind our house, and already he is married to Big Bessie.

    Yesterday was a typical Monday. There were 9 phone calls asking if Tbfriends could take their horses. Including a crying lady in the town of Elverta, and she has major family problems.

    Yesterday there were 3 different phone calls from boarding stables. They have clients who are not paying their board, so the stables need to dump their horses.

    Yesterday our vet Lisa Wallace removed the testicles of Seeking Answers. Snip snip. All went well, and 30 minutes later Seeking Answers is eating alfalfa and talking with his best friend Proud Phil.

    Yesterday our friend Becky found Christmas employment at Costco, and now Becky has 3 different jobs.

    Yesterday our best friend Jenny Hartman had an MRI on her injured back. Next week Jenny turns 18, and only yesterday she was 10.

    more to come



    ****Joe, I remember the 5 cent candybars (my favorite was Cup O'Gold), 10 cents RCCola...when I had a quarter in my pocket after school, I was a millionaire!*****

    Can anyone post the second half of JoeTBFriends from yesterday? I don't think I saw it posted.

    Mouth problems with my chestnut mare..vet coming at noon. Very confused about her condition; hay? allergies? bad teeth(tooth)? Fingers crossed.

    Thank you vets! I'm one, but never did what my Dad, Father-in-law and friends were called upon to do. Thank you!

    Denise

    Posted by: D. Masters at November 11, 2008 2:54 PM

    JOE ON VETERANS DAY, part one
    **************************************************
    Tuesday, November 11th... Yesterday I paid just $2.24 for regular gasoline, and how cool is that?

    But I also paid 65 cents for a can of cat food, and how ridiculous is that?

    I paid 35 cents a pound for a young thoroughbred gelding from a feed lot in Wilton. He has a racing tattoo. The poor gelding is covered in a dry caked mixture of pee and mud. Total cost for the gelding is $315.00.

    I paid $100.00 to have the pee and mud gelding transported to our ranch.

    I paid $5.99 for a 24 pack of Diet Coke at Food 4 Less, the best deal in town.

    I paid 49 cents for a Hershey chocolate bar, and I remember when they were a nickel.

    In our driveway on Saturday I met Kirsten, she is 14, and she gives Cathy and I 6 big just made oatmeal and raisin cookies. So good I had to hide them from Pony Boy. Kirsten says with each batch of cookies she puts a quarter into one of them. Who ever bites into the cookie with the quarter will have good luck in 2009. Those 6 cookies are now gone, but there was no quarter. Too bad. Would have paid for almost half of that darn cat food.

    Yesterday I got to meet Justin, a cute little reddish bay thoroughbred gelding who needed a new home quick. Justin was just minutes away from being picked up by horse killer Wade Giles. Justin is now in the field behind our house, and already he is married to Big Bessie.

    Yesterday was a typical Monday. There were 9 phone calls asking if Tbfriends could take their horses. Including a crying lady in the town of Elverta, and she has major family problems.

    Yesterday there were 3 different phone calls from boarding stables. They have clients who are not paying their board, so the stables need to dump their horses.

    Yesterday our vet Lisa Wallace removed the testicles of Seeking Answers. Snip snip. All went well, and 30 minutes later Seeking Answers is eating alfalfa and talking with his best friend Proud Phil.

    Yesterday our friend Becky found Christmas employment at Costco, and now Becky has 3 different jobs.

    Yesterday our best friend Jenny Hartman had an MRI on her injured back. Next week Jenny turns 18, and only yesterday she was 10.

    more to come

    Posted by: jonna skehan at November 11, 2008 2:58 PM

    Denise!

    I was out paying one of our wretched Utility Bills here in the Northeast. Our local company, Niagara Mohawk, was sucked up by an English utility etcetcetc company named National Grid.

    Now, of course, they are known as National Greed...an old friend who worked till retirement--a rarity today, as yole know--said the Greed folk have little or no concern for capital improvements to aging equipment. They just want to continue sucking up power companies.
    They are administering bandaids and duct tape--in a manner of speaking.

    IMHO, everyone--including foreign concerns--who interact with the American dollar better shape up. I just do not think that our President elect will fall for their BS.

    AND DENISE!!

    Oy: I should pay attention...but Joe X2: what he has to say can never be said enough...
    Honor to all the Vets out there.

    Amazing WW2 D-Day footage just found by the sons of a Vet cleaning out his home. Just incredible stuff.

    MSNBC has the raw footage and also edited stock. But everytime I watched one of those planes go down, all I was think is that there were kids in that plane. German kids, probably, but kids nonetheless. Our damned wars are pretty much fought by children, IMHO.

    Bless them all: and have a good day, yole. We need to keep all our FoBs in pain propped up until they can stand on their own. Loss, loss, loss.

    xxoo:j
    COURAGE (to us all.)

    Posted by: jonna skehan at November 11, 2008 3:09 PM

    (((((JONNA))))))

    You're a hoot...sorry I overlapped. But frankly, 2 Joe's posted here is a good thing.

    Thank you! Seriously, Joe and Cathy are keepers, no matter the duplication. Anyway to pull up the rest of yesterday's and post?

    Your friend,
    Denise

    Posted by: D. Masters at November 11, 2008 3:10 PM

    ##

    Debbie I am sorry to hear of your loss. I will include you and your family in my prayers.

    Mary, your post about Sherman was deeply felt by all of us.

    Lee, thank you for the reminder of today's importance. Another FOB that I'm aware of putting her life on the line for us is Deb G, may she remain safe.

    Today, let's post of those we know that are veterans, living or deceased, as well as those of us currently serving our country. Let's pray for all of them.

    For me, my uncle, Paddy O'Leary, served in WW II and died in Germany, he was 21 years old. He was set to come back after the war and wanted to become a priest, but God wanted him to serve in another way, in heaven. Obviously I never met him, but his spirit is very much alive in our family. His photo graces the walls of our home and he and my mother look so much alike. She is quiet today, as expected, but we'll make the day as good as we can for her. Even after all these years, she still misses him so.

    God Bless all veterans, all who serve this country and their loved ones today, and always.

    Posted by: Skyler at November 11, 2008 3:29 PM

    Hi Gang. Alex is going to OLEX. I'm saying a prayer that he remains strong.

    Posted by: MargieinNM at November 11, 2008 3:34 PM

    ####
    Denise
    I remember going looking for Part Two yesterday, and unfortunately, even the Friends of TBFriends
    don't archive Joe's wonderful journal.

    Someone used to post it on the DB, but I cannot locate it now.

    ####
    MargieNM
    Your post yesterday on the crow/raven was just wonderful. It reminds me of a day a bazillion years ago when I quickly pulled over to one of the brackish ponds next to our poor, beleaguered lake with my little niece in the car. She was about 3 then--now 25 (OK how did THAT happen??)

    I was pointing out one of the pair of Kingfishers who hunted that pond, and just as I was telling her how they tuck their wings and drop like a feathery bomb on their fishy or froggy prey, the bird did exactly that, came up with a fish, and perched to eat. All in the blink of an eye.

    I was flabbergasted, but the look of Faith's little face: so priceless. It was one of many magic moments birds--and Faith--have given me over the years.

    Thanks again: j


    Posted by: jonna skehan at November 11, 2008 3:43 PM

    I honor my uncle, Matthew McNamara today. During WW2, he laid among the dead and wounded on a South Pacific beach. He 'played' dead, as the fallen and him were repeatedly stabbed and shot to make sure they were 'down'. He survived and came back to the states and according to the family, was never the same. RIP, Uncle Matt.

    And I honor a lot of my friends today who survived that Viet Nam thing. And one in particular, that survived the Tet Offensive. God Bless you, Mike.

    Posted by: MargieinNM at November 11, 2008 3:50 PM

    ####
    Please read and help the rescues going on the db....

    the postings lately have been low...please family...we need you and all of you silent ones...

    we are going to get our bill passed....

    WE CAN DO THIS....Save Barbaro's brothers and sisters...but we need everyone...so be ready...Congress will be back...

    and...please pray for our nation....for strength, courage, and healing.

    and Alex....we are with you in spirit as you go to the Olex.

    God Bless America!!!!!

    Posted by: joan roya at November 11, 2008 5:58 PM

    Today, I honor my father, Sidney Moore. He served in WW1...yes...he was 58 when I was born in '53. Mom was 34. He was a lieutenant in the Marine Corps when he was taken ill with influenza, and spent a good portion of his service in a hospital in France. God bless you Daddy, and give Mom a hug and kiss for me.

    Posted by: Sabra at November 11, 2008 6:04 PM

    Morning, ABR Famblee...

    I went to ask.com and put in 'horses of the Civil War'.....here's what I came up with:

    Famous Horses of the Civil War

    Many a fighting man had one or more favorite mounts, entitled to bountiful corn and fodder, careful grooming, and a name of its own. One clause in the surrender terms at Appomattox in 1865 puzzled some people: every Confederate cavalryman was entitled to take his horse home with him. This provision, insisted on by Lee, was accepted by Grant when he was told that once they returned to civilian life, former soldiers wouldn't be able to plant spring crops without their war horses.

    The following are some of the Confederates and the horses they rode into battle and into history:

    Belle Boyd - Fleeter - was ridden by this famous Confederate spy.

    Maj. Gen. William B. Bate - Black Hawk - was ridden by this general.

    Maj. Gen. Patrick R. Cleburne - Dixie- this battle steed was killed at Perryville while being ridden by General Cleburne.

    Lt. Gen. Richard S. Ewell - Rifle - a much cherished steed.

    Nathan Bedford Forrest - King Philip - possibly the favorite horse of Forrest, who also owned and rode Roderick and Highlander.

    Capt. W I. Rasin.- Beauregard - who survived until 1883, was ridden to Appomattox by Rasin.

    Stonewall Jackson - Old Sorrel - formerly a Union officer's mount, was acquired by Jackson at Harpers Ferry when she was about eleven years old. Because the mare was so small that Jackson's feet nearly dragged the ground, she was often known as Little Sorrel. Little Sorrel Lane in Somers, Connecticut, commemorates the animal Jackson was riding when he was mortally wounded.

    Brig. Gen. Adam R. Johnson - Joe Smith - was ridden by the general.

    Gen. Albert S. Johnston - Fire-eater - a splendid bay Thoroughbred ridden by Johnston when he was killed at Shiloh.

    Maj. Gen. Fitzhugh Lee - Nellie Gray - this mare was numbered among the dead at Opequon.

    Gen. Robert E. Lee - Traveller - by all odds this best-known horse of the war was Lee's favorite. Earlier he owned and rode Richmond, Brown-Roan, Lucy Long, and Ajax. Traveller is the purported author of a ghost-written volume that depicts the Civil War as seen through equine eyes.

    Col. E G. Skinner - Old Fox - ridden by this Col of the First Virginia Infantry.

    Maj. Gen. Jeb Stuart - Virginia - credited with having prevented the capture of by jumping an enormous ditch. In addition to the mare, Stuart frequently rode Highfly.

    M. Jeff Thompson - Sardanapalus - favorite mount of this partisan of Missouri.

    Union officers were as dependent on their horses as were their opponents. Had neither side been provided with mounts, the war might have fizzled out in about ninety days. The following is the Union side and the horses that helped them make history.

    "Mother" Bickerdyke - Old Whitey - the usual mount of Bickerdyke, who was among the most famous of female nurses.

    Maj. Gen. Benjamin E Butler - Almond Eye - the steed ridden by Benjamin "The Beast".

    Brig. Gen. Kenner Garrard - Nellie - The favorite mare of the general.

    Lt. Gen. U. S. Grant - Cincinnati - presented to Grant in 1864 and immediately identified as his favorite horse. When Colonel Grant rode into Springfield, Illinois, in 1861, he was astride a white horse named Methuselah. Grant first rode into battle on the back of Rondy and during the war also used Fox, Jack, Jeff Davis, and Kangaroo.

    Maj. Gen. Joseph Hooker - Lookout - acquired at Chattanooga and named for a battle of that campaign, stood seventeen hands high and was cherished by Hooker.

    Maj. Gen. Philip Kearny - Moscow - a white horse used in battle by Kearny against the advice of his colleagues may have been his favorite. Because the big horse was an inviting target, Kearny switched to a bay named Decatur and then to Bayard, whose color was light brown.

    Maj. Gen. John A. Logan - Slasher - ridden into battle by Logan and depicted by an artist as dashing along a line of battle with all four feet off the ground.

    Col. John McArthur - Boomerang - named for his tendency to move backward, was owned by this Col. of the Twelfth Illinois Regiment.

    Maj. Gen. George B. McClellan - Kentuck - may have been the favorite mount of McClellan. In addition, McClellan rode a black horse named Bums.

    Brig. Gen. George G. Meade - Baldy - wounded at First Bull Run and at Antietam, this horse later took Meade to Gettysburg and a promotion. Philadelphia's Old Baldy Civil War Round Table helps to commemorate the memory of the horse.

    Col. Philip Sheridan - Aldebaron - an early mount of Sheridan, gave way to a gelding named Rienzi. After taking him on his famous ride to Winchester, the name of the animal was changed to that of the town. Winchester (or Rienzi) was so revered that when he died, his stuffed body was presented to the Smithsonian Institution.

    William T. Sherman - Lexington - possibly the favorite of Sherman, who also rode Dolly and Sam.

    Maj. Gen. George Thomas - Billy - named for Sherman, this was the bay war horse of Thomas.
    Source: "Civil War Curiosities" by Webb Garrison

    Pretty interesting 'stuff' there, don't you agree?

    I most especially sat up and took 'notice' when I read the war would have only lasted about 90 days IF NOT FOR THE HORSES to carry those men into battle..too bad so many men AND their trusty steeds lost lives.

    Lynne-Barbaro's Forever Friend in CA
    Murphy's Forever Mama, too:)

    Posted by: Lynne Brown at November 11, 2008 7:04 PM

    ####Lynne...loved reading about the Civil War horses...great info.


    And a Big Thank You to all our Veterans today....

    Posted by: Tamme at November 11, 2008 7:28 PM

    Here is the crock of SH-- the GAO came up with in response to Grijalva and Rahall's demand for answers from the BLM regarding the management of our wild horses and burros.

    The report is a bit much to read through. For more info go to http://www. saveourwildhorse. com/index.htm

    (Remove the spaces first.)

    Posted by: Barb AZ, Chunky and Punky, AND 153, AND Petunia! at November 11, 2008 7:39 PM

    Good bless the veterans. I always think of my Dad who served in WW2. He was 34 when he went in and every man in both sides of our family served. Had an uncle who went into the army and when he left ie new baby was just a few weeks old. He servd in every major campaign and when he saw his baby again he was 3 yrs old. I asked my Dad once if he wanted a military graveside service and he said no. Said the real heros are those who didnt make it back. Daddy is gone now but I think he would be very upset about the flag burners and people who do not love their country and protest and do not respect the U.S. flag and what it stands for. Well, didnt mean to write a book here. Guess I am just thinking of my Dad and the rest 'of the greatest generation'.

    Posted by: sandra at November 11, 2008 7:49 PM

    For the last month many of us have eagerly awaited the public release of the GAO's report on the Wild Horse and Burro Program. We just knew, based on their previous investigations, that they would do an incredible and in-depth report based on their previous investigations. In our minds we just knew that while it might not come down fully on the side of the horses, it would be fair and truthful. The BLM must have had such a hard time not to laugh in our faces.

    While we had to wait more than 30 days after its release to Congress, the BLM knew what it was going to say before it came out. The GAO took surveys of BLM field offices and the report reads as if it came directly off the BLM website, and I believe that parts of it did. There was no real investigation of facts and documents provided by humane groups were ignored, especially if there was anything that conflicted with the BLM's "official" position. Of course the worst part of the report, the one that basically demanded that the BLM begin the wholesale killing of healthy wild horses in holding facilities, wasn't even expressed on the BLM site.

    If you haven't yet read the report you can find it on our website or the GAO's site. Everyone should read it, our taxpayer dollars paid for it. But after reading it one has to wonder why it took months to prepare since it is full of BLM quotes many of us have heard before.

    One of the things one has to wonder about is why the report repeatedly spoke about the BLM's census methods. According to the report, the census methods used by BLM are not only not accurate, but are under-estimating herd sizes astronomically. The method can only UNDER estimate, not over estimate. The method used by BLM are direct count plus a percentage for unseen animals and increased each year by a percentage to account for foals. This is the method the BLM stood behind for years saying that it was accurate + OR - anywhere from 15-20%. Now the GAO report says that the method is so inaccurate that it may account for hundreds of uncounted horses. They fail to follow with the logic that if it is so inaccurate the BLM should reevaluate the AMLs as the range has shown that it could support more horses than originally thought.

    The report cites the Jackson Mountain HMA as an example. During the Jackson Mountain fiasco over 185 horses died during the removal and holding. The report erroneously cites 150. The claim is that the BLM grossly underestimated the number of horses on the range by 640 horses. They fail to mention that the BLM claimed that they were closely monitoring the herds in the Jackson Mountain HMA due to numerous reports that the water sources were not properly filling and horses were frantic to find water. They also failed to note that the neighboring Sheldon Wildlife Refuge "lost" over 400 horses that may have been migrating between the two areas. When humane groups and individuals repeatedly asked Sheldon and BLM where over 400 horses could have disappeared to, their requests for information went unanswered. By the way, during the time the horses disappeared fences were repaired between Jackson Mountain and Sheldon, so if the horses had traveled onto BLM land they would have been trapped there with no water. One single incident cannot prove that the entire BLM census method underestimates EVERY single time.

    On the contrary, it is not only possible but statistically probable that they could just as easily OVER estimate census numbers. If one looks at the report prepared by the American Herds, it is not only possible but probable that the population still roaming our public lands is 20,000 fewer than the BLM estimates. American Herds looks at the way BLM calculates the population of horses and using their own methods comes to much lower number than the BLM and below their arbitrarily determined Appropriate Management Level (AML).

    The determination of AML is important because it determines how many horses are removed from the range. If the AML is set too low, as it is in many areas where the AML is below 40 horses, horses are removed unnecessarily and put into holding facilities. If the GAO is looking at how to handle the horses in holding facilities they should have looked at the fact that they may or may not have been gathered improperly. This is especially true when they are basically saying these horses should be euthanized. That should be the last resort as the law states, not the answer to issues that are as yet unresolved. It is possible that these horses should be returned to their rightful place on the range and not held and certainly not killed.

    The GAO also failed to recognize that the BLM has zeroed out herd areas in violation of the law that states that the horses are to "be managed WHERE THEY ARE FOUND" (emphasis added). For them to have decided for convenience sake that herd areas should be closed or horses not returned after disaster is not within their jurisdiction. The law trumps policy. In addition, the BLM has removed around 30 MILLION acres from the wild horse and burro program. Certainly the 30,000 horses in holding, or at least a large majority, could be returned to the range if this land is once again added to the program. Then the taxpayer wouldn't be footing the bill for their care at these facilities and the horses would be where they belong. Since most if not all stallions are castrated when they enter the holding facilities, it isn't likely that they would be genetically viable, but it is far better than their death.

    For these reasons and many more it is imperative that EVERYONE contact their Congressperson and Senators and ask for answers. Nothing will answer these questions other than independent assessment of the wild horse and burro population and a full Congressional investigation. The American Herds report should be cited as a comprehensive investigation that shows that the BLM census numbers are not accurate, but not because they underestimate but because they are inflating the number of horses in the wild. Since there are such widely differing census numbers it is important to determine what the correct population is. Until such an assessment is done and until a Congressional hearing is held the BLM should be prevented from killing a single healthy animal in holding facilities. Wording should be included in the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act, S 3213 to prevent the BLM from using any of their budget to "euthanize" healthy animals. Please pass this along to your friends, relatives and anyone in your address book. The lives of over 30,000 horses depend on our voices, please do not let them die because the GAO failed to do its job properly or because the BLM improperly manages the program.

    To find your Congressperson and Senators visit the Save Our Wild Horses website.

    The BLM Wild Horse and Burro Advisory Board is meeting next Monday, 17 November 2008 at the Silver Legacy Resort Casino�s Reno Ballroom, 50 East Fourth Street, Reno, Nevada from 8am to 5pm local time. Comments should also be submitted to them asking that they NOT approve any motions to euthanize healthy animals in holding facilities. Those who would like to comment but are unable to attend may submit a written statement no later than November 12, 2008, to: Bureau of Land Management, National Wild Horse and Burro Program, WO-260, Attention: Ramona DeLorme, 1340 Financial Boulevard, Reno, Nevada, 89502-7147. Comments may also be e-mailed to: Ramona_DeLorme@... . Those submitting comments electronically should include the identifier "WH&B" in the subject of their message and their name and address in the body of the message.

    The Commission for the Preservation of Wild Horses is also meeting 14 November 2008 at the Winnemucca Convention Center at 50 West Winnemucca Blvd in Winnemucca, Nevada from 9am to 11am. They should also receive comments.

    Thank you for your time and dedication and PLEASE forward this far and wide.

    Posted by: Barb AZ, Chunky and Punky, AND 153, AND Petunia! at November 11, 2008 7:50 PM

    Just want to say God Bless to all the vets and to all the animals that served bravely beside them

    Posted by: Joanne Frank at November 11, 2008 8:31 PM

    JOE; PART 2/TUESDAY
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    Yesterday our best friend Jenny Hartman had an MRI on her injured back. Next week Jenny turns 18, and only yesterday she was 10.

    Yesterday I talked with a friend in Utah, and at a livestock auction in a town called Taylorsville she bought a 9 year old thoroughbred gelding. He has a racing tattoo. She bid $25.00 for the gelding, and took him home.

    Last night on television a new show called Worst Week. Pretty funny.

    Last night a phone call from Allie, she is 15, and lives in Oregon. Allie has shoes from race horses who have made a combined 4 million dollars. Allie wants to reach 5 million dollars, so could I send her a shoe from our new gelding Starspell? Well okay then. Only 800 thousand to go.

    And that about sums up a Monday. Later today we could be a whopping 61 degrees. We will greet an older mare from a ranch foreclosure. Welcome to our roller coaster ride...

    Joe

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    Goodnight Beautiful Bay, Barbaro

    Keep your spirit near...we need all the courage, strength, to climb this steep hill to get the Barbaro Bill passed.

    Time is fast approaching...and Barbaro, your family will be ready head first to meet the new Congress on hand....

    We love you...we miss you...we will always be here...your family of love.

    Goodnight Family/Fans of Barbaro

    PLEASE CALL, FAX, EMAIL...PLEASE.

    Someway we will find avenues to help these horses and help our rescues....someway...tides have to turn to a better land, a better future for our people, the horses and all animals...

    Please remember our Fallen Angels....

    Help our rescues, the ones suffering human or animal, remember them in your hearts and prayers...our wildlife...

    I thank God daily for this family of love...created by love, care, and compassion...brought together by one horse, Barbaro...who is now our angel...to save all horses...

    Have a bless evening.

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    Goodnight Tim and Fair Hill.
    Our FAllen Angels...we are here.

    Posted by: joan roya at November 11, 2008 9:50 PM

    Thank you Lyneeeeeeee for the post of the horse heroes of the Civil War.

    Thanks Barb. I voted.

    Posted by: MargieinNM at November 11, 2008 10:06 PM

    Happy Veteran's Day to all who served and who are serving.

    My dad enlisted when he was 26 years old. My brother and I didn't come along for another 20+ years, and didn't hear much about his service. He was in the Cavalry, and when he was discharged, he was able to come home with his Big Jim, a TB with the biggest head I've ever seen. I learned to ride on Big Jim who had been renamed Old Jim, who was about thirty years old at the time. To those who have heard this story already, forgive the repetition. But in honor of my dad, and his service, am going to retell it.

    Dad was stationed in India. World War II was well in progress. There was very little known at the time about the military's activities in India. At the time, even those who were close to my dad wondered about the non-combat regimen. There were 250 troops at this post, all members of the Cavalry. Later, we were told virtually nothing about their manuevers. Dad was a staff sargeant, and when he had a fairly minor injury, ( He and Big Jim didn't always get along so well )he was ordered to cook status. He was very happy about that, as he always fancied himself to be somewhat of a chef. Happy until the day that provisions arrived at the post. The protein sources were usually poultry and fish, and the typical dried mystery entrees from home base. Beef was not permitted, in consideration of India's culture and the Hindus' beliefs. One day a new provision arrived from the carriers. (My apologies for what I'm about to write) It was horsemeat. My dad refused to touch it. This was the cavalry, after all. To him it was the same as eating his fellow soldiers. His commanding officer had him confined. There was a preliminary hearing. He received a full pardon from a General named Eisenhower, also a horse lover. My dad was awarded a medal of valor much later, while serving a tour in Korea after WWII. We never knew why, but to us, his bravery in India was reason enough.

    Happy Veteran's Day, Dad. I know you and Big Jim are having a great old time in hevvin. You'll always be my hero. Happy Veteran's Day to my FOL and DH, and to all those who have served so bravely to keep this great country safe

    Posted by: Cheryl Jones, one of the Americans Against Horse Slaughter at November 11, 2008 10:17 PM

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    Posted by: Barb AZ, Chunky and Punky, AND 153, AND Petunia! at November 11, 2008 10:19 PM

    (((((Cheryl Jones, Dad, and Big Jim)))))

    Posted by: MargieinNM at November 11, 2008 10:44 PM

    Thank you, Margie (((((((((((Margie, Uncle Matt and Mike)))))))))

    Have to apologize to the person who is offended at my use of the word "Happy" being used in the same sentence as "Veteran's Day". No offense intended. It was a happy occasion in mu family home, my dad being the chef for the day. It's also my cousin's birthday, so it was an especially wonderful holiday. Happy Birthday, Judith :)

    Posted by: Cheryl Jones, one of the Americans Against Horse Slaughter at November 11, 2008 10:51 PM

    Hiya, FsOB! To Alex & Wendy, it is truly unfortunate that on this important holiday, the spammers are in action. Please refer to the posts timed at 6:04, 6:38, 7:13, 7:50, 8:27, 8:58, & 9:31 PM.

    A big salute to all of the U.S., Canadian, English, & Allied veterans and to all of the brave and beautiful horses who gave their lives in past wartimes. Kudos to the dads of Denise, Sabra, Lou Ann, Sandra, & Cheryl Jones. To Skyler, please let you Mother know that your Uncle Paddy's is appreciated by those of us who were born after his life was cut short. To Margie, a big thanks to your Uncle Matthew, who lived through the sort of hell that my great- uncle James "Dolly" Russo experienced in the Pacific Front and never escaped from afterwards.

    #### To Sofie's Lee: Kudos to you for your contribution as a veteran.
    To Joan Roya: Any update about Richard & his family?
    To Jonna: I'll have to tell my coworkers in RI about "National Greed"! They'll get a kick out of that monniker.
    To Lynne B.: Thanks for the listing of horses from the Civil War. If you ever visit KY, please consider seeing the battleground at Perryville. It is hauntingly beautiful countryside. The brother of one of my great-great-grandfathers died there; he was in the Union Army. ####

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    "The Empty Stall"

    There is always an empty stall at an equine rescuers.
    Even though you can't see it, its always there.
    It's invisible to most, but the stall exists in the rescuers heart as a void, a void which they know will be filled soon, and later emptied.

    Among the cries of we are full, no more horses!..the invisible stall still exists in the mind and heart of the equine rescuer.
    It exists sure enough as hope exists, and kindness and love exists in the world.

    There is always one more spot, one invisible stall, to make a difference one day for one horse. And even though people say "you can't save them all"...the rescuer gets to say, "I made a difference... for that one, that one in the empty stall. "

    Thanks for all you do. God bless our veterans and those currently serving their country. God keep safe my proud Marine grandson Lance Corporal Dustin Mannifield.

    Posted by: Kate from Canyon Lake TX at November 12, 2008 1:23 AM

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    GREAT STORY you shared about your dad and his refusal to eat horseflesh. AND that BIG JIM was your first ride. It's almost a fairytale, except for the heinous war in the middle of all of it.

    My mother's first great love was a kid named Hack Kennedy from Cloquet, MN. He was lost when his bomber went down over Africa in the campaign against Rommel. He sat in one of those terrible belly gunner glass ball things. That family lost two sons to WWII. She mourned him today, I know.

    It was supposed to be the war to end all wars...
    so much for political fantasy.

    Anyhow: I lub my FoBs. Thank you for sharing your thoughts today with your frens.

    (OH, AND LYNNIE!! THE CIVIL WAR HORSE INFO WAS SUPER...)

    xxoo:
    COURAGE

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    Today I thought of so many family members who were/are veterans. My father spent WWII on a destroyer in the Pacific. All his brothers served, in Europe I believe. I know one uncle was in Italy. My Uncle Eddie (other side of the family)lost his life in Europe. One brother-in-law (Air Force) served in Vietnam and the other brother-in-law was Army. Both my brothers were Navy men while our son was Army. To all Veterans - thank you for your service to this country.

    Janice
    A forever devoted to Kaiser FOB

    Posted by: janfromflorida at November 12, 2008 1:40 AM

    Jonna, what a sad story about Hack Kennedy. It was such a terrible war. How heartbreaking for your mom. Please convey my condolences to her. This is a sad day for so many, as well as being a celebration of those who served.

    Small wonder my dad rarely spoke of it.

    Forgot to acknowledge two people who I've learned much about the war from. One a client of my DH's and the other he met some time ago when he retrieved and returned the old gentleman's wallet he had dropped. The quite two coincidently know each other, which is remarkable considering there were only 250 or so of the Tuskegee Airman. I sit at their knees in awe. Thank you Colonel EC and Captain Richard. Thanks to all the veterans.

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    Coincidental, my friend and I were talking about the Tuskegee Airmen at dinner. Do you know that fighter squadron NEVER lost one of the bombers they escorted to and from their missions.

    Bless them all.

    Posted by: jonna skehan at November 12, 2008 2:18 AM

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    Margieeeeeeeee,NM:) HOW please, is *LUCKY*? I hope he is still enjoying the morning 'Steve Martin Dance'?!

    Murphy used to 'dance' to the Peanuts theme song:) He SURELY knew *SNOOPY* in a previous life, me thinks:)He has been gone four weeks today, Famblee:( I miss him 'terrrrrrrrble'!

    Glad for yole to enjoy the accountings of all those Civil War Horseys:) Yes, INDEED!! WHERE WOULD THIS COUNTRY BE WITHOUT IT'S HORSES!!! :)
    Bless them EVERY SINGLE ONE!

    Lynne-Barbaro's Forever Friend in CA
    Murphy's Forever Mama, too:)

    Posted by: Lynne Brown at November 12, 2008 3:08 AM

    Hi FOB's,
    Lots of problems with the puter,I have been very depressed due to no job in sight, mom has good and bad days...etc,etc.
    My email is all messed up since I switched my carrier. I'm not ignoring any of you.

    Mary S., dear Mary, I am so very sorry about sweet precious Sherman. It is so hard to hear, he is so muhc better off and he as you know is all healed. I prayed for him every night and day that he would get strong and well. I pray you and your sweet heart will heal, and that God will Bless you. Sherman was here for a reason, you will know that someday if you don't know it now. You gave him the best you could, he knew that and loved you for who you were, his beloved mother his keeper, his angel. Please stay with us Mary we are here for you.

    RIP Sweet Sherman, may you gallop and run free with the heard up in heaven. You will be missed.

    Gotta go before the puter dies on me. Love you all. See you soon.

    I love you so much Barbaro!!!

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    For the FOB on Veterans' Day: From THISGOODPLACE: WAR HORSES

    "Yeeeee-haaaaaa!" coupled with the sound of pounding hooves, announced the unexpected explosive entrance of several large bands of horses. They came rushing out from the trees, across the fern-meadow, heading for the stream.

    "Wooop Wooop...Yeeee-haaaa!" Man-words, mixed with bold boisterous whinnies, came from the band of horses. A steel grey leader, headed the charge.

    The Young Prince nearly froze in mid-leap, then landed on the far side of the stream, less nimbly than he would have preferred. He kept his balance, then twirled and stood, stiff legged and wide eyed, facing the oncoming clamorous band. Brume turned too, and stood his ground in the water.

    Ferns flew high in the air as they thundered across the meadow. When they saw the two Princes, they "Yeeee-haaaa'd" again and slowed to a fidgety stop at the water's edge.

    "At ease," said the grey, to his troop of snorting companions. They then settled down and took a long drink from the cool stream. Their muscles twitched, and they stomped their back feet as they drank deeply.

    In the company of the grey leader were several colts each leading a small group of horses. Four females lead groups of their own.

    "A good lookin' squad, I must say. Right Sirs?" Called the grey leader, to the Young Prince and Brume.

    Both horses remained quite still, awed by the powerful presence of the bold grey general. He was not quite sixteen hands tall, an extremely fine specimen of American Saddlebred, with a broad head, deep chest, strong legs, and short back. His mane and tail were black. He had black points on his nose, ears, and legs. His voice was deep with a velvety texture, that was soft, and easy on the ears. However, it was his eyes, from where the power came. They were almost "man-eyes." Something in him was so connected to the man that he served, that the reflection of the very soul of that man remained behind the eyes of his horse.

    Brume and the Young Prince continued to stand, eyes wide, and ready for anything. The power of this horse-force was overwhelming. They were energized, and full of "business." Even the mares carried themselves with strength and resolve.

    The general called, from across the stream.

    "Fine, fine bunch they are, hm-mmmmm..."Came through hard times to come here. Gittin' ready for the big'un a'comin. Needs be learnin' a few of you 'bout war-horsin'. Great honor...We're all called up y'know.

    He put his head down a bit in an imperial pose and made his neck to arch. It gave him a most regal appearance. He was nose down so he had to raise his eyebrows to look straight at the boys. His dark gaze took-a-bead on them from across the peaceful waters of the sweet-water stream.

    "Hain't jest funnin' 'bout war-horsin' boys. Gotta hold......" he paused, then raised his head.....

    "Gotta stand firm. The Great Masse'll be a needin' a good war-horse. I reckon that's us...hm-mmmmm."

    The general and his companions were hiding something in their heartsongs. It had something to do with smoke, and blood. The images were connected to people who had been with them in the otherplace.

    The horses and people had very hard work to do. Men and boys ran like swarms of insects, across fields and forests, making booms and screaming. Even though the men knew what they were doing and what was happening, they were either hysterical or grim. Yet, with great resolve they pushed forward into the monstrous battles, of war, that had to be fought, and had to be won, at a great and terrible cost of men.

    It was worse for the horses, for they did not know what or why...only that they had to run into the danger, or stand in spite of it.

    They dragged heavy wagons on rain soaked roads, through mud so thick it covered their knees and the wagon wheels stuck... sunk down to the hubs. They carried men upon their backs, on long marches, in the heat and humidity, on dust covered roads, where the air was so thick that they wretched muddy mucous from their throats, and they could not breath for their nostrils being packed hard with it. Ticks, and flies tormented them. They knew hunger, thirst, heat and cold. And ever, just around the bend, or from a stand of woods, death stalked.

    Then came the battles, and there they would be, surrounded by bangs, booms, booms, and BOOMS.. with hot things whizzing through the air; shouting men, screaming horses, and blood all around. They had to resist every instinct to run in terror, to escape the smell of blood, smoke, noise and danger. They had to stand steady and serve, and this, these did well enough, through many battles for many years.

    Smoke, a lot of smoke, obscured the images, but even though greatly suppressed, some of the disturbing scenes remained, now benign, but, none-the-less a dissonant part of their songs.

    They were war-horses....come through things that no man or horse should ever have to...but they did. This IS a part of their song. Here, in Thisgoodplace, there is no fear, no horror, only shadows of such, and in the clear white light, shadows must give way.

    Most of the troupe waded across the stream to graze on the grassy side. As some of them lay down, rolling on the soft turf, the images began to fade. Soon, they were all just horses, enjoying a good roll, and the pleasure of each others' company. The smoky, screaming shadows blew away on the wind.

    The Young Prince was quite relived to feel the shadows go. Such was at odds and malapropos with the peace of Thisgoodplace.

    The troop looked like ordinary horses. Many of them were Morgans or Morgan-crosses, with Thoroughbred and Quarter-horse blood in their families. Most of them stood at only about 15 1/2 hands. They were strong, deep chested, with thick, sturdy legs, and mostly brown or bay. A few stallions were tall, and no doubt, owned a greater amount of Thoroughbred heritage.

    They rolled around, on the grass, like other horses. They quietly clipped clover, twitched their neck muscles, and stomped their feet like other horses. They turned their ears, sang heart-to-heart, and whispered nose whooshes to each other as they grazed. But their eyes we not like the eyes of any other horses that the Young Prince had met. Something else had been put into them through the things that they had seen. They were war-horses, always and forever changed. They were war-horses, with with a terrible, glorious tale to tell.
    ..................................................

    Dear Frens. They have always served at the pleasure of man. They have carried us throughout history. Now it is WE who fight for them. We must never give up our cause in bringing them honor and peace.

    Good night. Sleep safely in your beds...privileged to live in this Great Country. Flawed as she may be, we are blessed to have her. Thank God for the ones who fought to give this gift to us.

    Your FOB Fren, O

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